ANUCON2010 Oct 9-10 1500pt 40k

[MrMoo]

Please see player's pack for finalised details:

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Last Updated: 02/08/2010

ANUCON 2010
Date: 9th-10th October 2010
Venue: Building 26b, ANU, Canberra
Details: 1500pt Warhammer 40k, 3 rounds per day, free BBQ lunch both days
Cost: $35
Tournament Organiser: Luke Nguyen-Hoan (me!) @ mrmoowithnounderscore[at]gmail[dot]com or 0422265826 (for urgent things only). Please include [ANUCON2010] in the subject lines of your emails to ensure they don't get lost.

This is, like our club, aimed towards being more of a "friendly" tournament rather than an ultra-competitive one. Bring an army, have some fun playing people you don't usually play, and enjoy the weekend is the goal here.

Max entrants: 40 (We haven't had a problem with turning people away in past years though)

Entry fee is payable by: cash, cheque (made out to "ANU Wargaming Society"). Payment on the day is fine.

Please email me if you plan to attend so I know how many and who to expect.

If we somehow run out of space, priority goes to: people who paid beforehand, people who have emailed me, then people who turn up on the day.

If you've said you're coming but you end up NOT coming, PLEASE send me an email or SMS or call me (on the day), so I know! I don't mind if this happens and you let me know, I just need to know ASAP so no one ends up waiting without a game on Saturday morning because I think you're turning up but you're not.

I will be away during September from the 8th until the 30th, during that period I will not be contactable by phone and may or may not be responding to emails.

Players pack including scenarios, FAQ, scoring will be available at least one month before the tournament.

Armies are to be chosen using the standard force organisation chart (see page 87 of the big rulebook).

Armies are to be chosen using the most recent codex possible as of 03/06/2010. If GW somehow comes out with a new codex between now and the tournament (I doubt it with Fantasy 8th ed), I'll say whether it's allowed or not here.

Army lists will be due one week before the tournament (by Friday the 1st of October). Army lists received after this date will receive anywhere from 0 to 50% of their normally rated comp, depending on how late they are and how generous I'm feeling.
- Army lists are to be submitted by email (to the above email address) in either .doc (word document), .odt (open office writer text document), .txt, or .pdf formats. Emails should have a subject line of "[ANUCON2010] blah blah blah" to guarantee they won't get lost - I'll reply to people once I receive their army lists.
- Army lists should be clearly separated out by force org chart type and codex selection entry (and whether they count towards the maximum or not)
- Army lists should list the points value of every choice as well as the total for the codex selection entry and force org chart type (so something like: powerfist(15)... platoon 1 total = 345... troops total = 745)

WYSIWYG is in force, "counts as" is ok as long as it is consistent (all those funny-looking guns in your army are all plasma pistols, and everyone who has one actually does have a plasma pistol), and it won't cause confusion with your opponent (I'll judge that, so don't worry about opponents being deliberately obtuse). If in doubt, ask.

"Modelling for advantage" is not allowed, again, judged by me. Basically, if you think you're being a douchebag, you probably are. If in doubt, have a normally sized and posed replacement model which you can substitute. Note that you can only substitute the replacement model if it's in your opponent's favour, not yours (so, you can't claim that if your uber character of doom was on a normal base I couldn't see him to shoot him).

Overall score will be 50% battle, 20% sports, 20% comp, 10% painting.

Prizes for
1st Overall
2nd Overall
3rd Overall
Players' Choice (NOT "Player's Choice")
Best General (battle results)
Best Sport (sports score)
Best Painting (judged by TO)
The Max Wallace Encouragement "Better Luck Next Time" (Wooden Spoon) Award

(Proposed) Schedule:

Saturday

		You (the player)	Me (the TO)
0800	0830	Arrive	Last Minute Panic
0830	1030	Game 1	Shoehorn in late arrivals, make sure people know what they're supposed to be doing
1030	1100	Downtime	Get the match draw software working, put in the results, get the next round matchups
1100	1300	Game 2	Make sure lunch will be ready
1300	1400	Army display and NOM NOM NOM	Put the results in again. Start marking painting. Hopefully have time to nom nom nom too.
1400	1700	Game 3	Watch and laugh as people try cope with the team game.

Sunday

		You (the player)	Me (the TO)
0800	0830	Arrive	Relax, thinking today must surely be better than yesterday
0830	1030	Game 4	Relax
1030	1100	Downtime	Put the results in. Again. This is starting to become a theme here...
1100	1300	Game 5	Make sure lunch will be ready. Again.
1300	1400	Army display again. Players' Choice. NOM NOM NOM	Put the results in. Yet again. Finish painting marking. Hopefully have time to nom nom nom again.
1400	1600	Game 3	Make sure all the results thus far are in and correct
1600	1630	Pack up armies, etc	Madly put in the last round of scores
1630	1700	(Some of you) Get Prizes	Give Prizes (to some of you)
1700	1800	Pack up, leave, etc	Wind down.

Other option is for a 9 for 9:30 start with lunch at 11:30 (after the first game) but running until 6pm each day. I'm inclined towards the times above, but I'm kind of a morning person...

Scenarios
anuwargamingsociety.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=anucon2010&action=display&thread=388

Rules and Army List FAQ will be maintained on a separate page
anuwargamingsociety.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=anucon2010&action=display&thread=389, please post there. If you've got any questions about the actual tournament, post them here.

The so-called "Soft Scores" of Painting, Comp, and Sports
anuwargamingsociety.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=anucon2010&thread=396&page=1

[tbenk]

Make it 1750 points!

Good man!

[MrMoo]

I'm highly unlikely to change it to 1750pts, for two reasons:

1. Time constraints per round means that 1500pts is about right based on past experience - battles tend not to go overtime with 1500pts, whereas they may do so with 1750.
2. I personally prefer 1500pts, as it forces you to pick and choose what specialist units you can bring. 1750 tends to mean that you can bring nearly everything you really want, whereas 1500pts makes you really make a decision. Then again, that's just coz I'm mean

[winter]

I don't know if I agree regarding 1500 vs 1750. I find 1500 you really have to scrape points which means if you make a mistake it's game over. With 1750 you have a bit more scope for redundancy.

Maybe it is a guard vs marine thing.

Totally understand the timing issue however.

[Yaleling]

I like the way you think Luke.

The hard choices are what makes the game fun. Making tactical choices in game and not knowing how they pan out is my favourite bit. And the 1500 point limit, make those hard choices in army selection too. I love agonising over what to take. (And then adjusting everything at the last minute based on what I actually get painted....)

And 1500 also makes the tournament more accessible to players on a budget.

[MrMoo]

Updated first post with more details about ANUCON2010

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[MrMoo]

ANUCON2010: Added payment and army list submission details

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[MrMoo]

Just updated with link to painting / comp / sports scoring.

Painting / Comp / Sports scoring: anuwargamingsociety.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=anucon2010&thread=396

Also added proposed schedule to the first post here:

Main ANUCON post: anuwargamingsociety.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=anucon2010&action=display&thread=368

Basically 8am - 5pm each day.

[Yaleling]

Nov 24, 2009 21:10:51 GMT 10 MrMoo said:

WYSIWYG is in force, "counts as" is ok as long as it is consistent (all those funny-looking guns in your army are all plasma pistols, and everyone who has one actually does have a plasma pistol), and it won't cause confusion with your opponent (I'll judge that, so don't worry about opponents being deliberately obtuse). If in doubt, ask.

"Modelling for advantage" is not allowed, again, judged by me. Basically, if you think you're being a douchebag, you probably are. If in doubt, have a normally sized and posed replacement model which you can substitute. Note that you can only substitute the replacement model if it's in your opponent's favour, not yours (so, you can't claim that if your uber character of doom was on a normal base I couldn't see him to shoot him).

As far as modelling for advantage goes, I'm happy for my mid air leaping hormagaunts to draw a bit of extra fire. (I reckon I know who the bullet catchers in the brood are though!). My winged hive tyrant is the (smaller) 2nd edition model, would you like me to make a cardboard silhouette of the current model should LOS be an issue?

And I'm thinking of trying out some units I haven't used yet. The only one that my cause a problem is the trevigon. Since it doesn't have a model and only a rather vague description there is some contention as to how big the model should be. I could err on the side of making it overly large and use the old armorcast harupex model. I just need to base it (it will need a larger base than the trygon) and count it as a trevigon with crushing claws. A second option would be to convert a carnifex (or allow one as a proxy as I don't intend to use any actual carnifexes).



Would either of these options be acceptable? (You know, should I actually make the tournament. )

[MrMoo]

Cardboard silhouettes would be fine, although I'd say there aren't any issues with older edition models (as they're still technically "official GW models", but they should be on new base sizes (like for terminators)) and as such I'd say you don't need one for your older edition hive tyrant (besides, old edition models are still cool!).

If it doesn't have a model (*cough stormraven gunship cough*) then something that's appropriately sized and modelled for the capabilities it has is fine. In the case of a trevigon (which I don't know the rules of), if it's tougher, stronger, and badder than a trygon, and your model looks tougher, stronger, and badder than one, then you're fine (assuming you've used common sense when selecting a base size, etc).

In the end, the rule is basically "don't be a douchebag", and I don't think anyone who regularly games at the club will have any problems.

[Yaleling]

Jul 13, 2010 13:40:15 GMT 10 MrMoo said:

Cardboard silhouettes would be fine, although I'd say there aren't any issues with older edition models (as they're still technically "official GW models", but they should be on new base sizes (like for terminators)) and as such I'd say you don't need one for your older edition hive tyrant (besides, old edition models are still cool!).

Sweet.

Jul 13, 2010 13:40:15 GMT 10 MrMoo said:

If it doesn't have a model (*cough stormraven gunship cough*) then something that's appropriately sized and modelled for the capabilities it has is fine. In the case of a trevigon (which I don't know the rules of), if it's tougher, stronger, and badder than a trygon, and your model looks tougher, stronger, and badder than one, then you're fine (assuming you've used common sense when selecting a base size, etc).

Therein lays the problem. The argument for using the larger base and model (trygon and up) is that the trevigon has a massive 6 wounds and can potentially be carrying a huge number of termagants for spawning in game. But on the other hand her combat abilities are so dire, she makes tomb spyders look tough.

Jul 13, 2010 13:40:15 GMT 10 MrMoo said:

In the end, the rule is basically "don't be a douchebag", and I don't think anyone who regularly games at the club will have any problems.

That's the thing I have the most trouble with in 5th edition. If the model is too large (in the eyes of the beholder) you get accused of modelling to give better cover saves to things sheltering behind it. And if the model is too small (again, in the eyes of the beholder) you get chest poked for modelling to get better covers save from other creatures or terrain. It is kind of a no win situation.

[MrMoo]

If you want, I'll have a look at the rules for trevigons and give my opinion on what size is appropriate. Yay for GW not producing models or even guidelines for things that are in their codexes

Although, on that note, if it's a cool enough conversion/kitbash/scratchbuild for something which doesn't have a GW model, I don't think anyone will complain about it

[marklp]

Well, short of making a masterpeice like some people do online with greenstuff and pores and termagants popping out out of its chest and mucous stuff, i'd personally be happy with a carnifex conversion to make it have the whole 4 legged thing that it needs and maybe some attempt at showing where the termagants spore and then (if i was playing). I imagine the tervigon perhaps being the same size, but more lengthwise then tall, but meh, its a monsterous creature, so long as its monsterous. I'd take issue with someone argueing termagants give a monsterous creature cover, but wouldn't at warriors giving them cover...

*shrugs*

[MrMoo]

Marklp's solution seems reasonable to me

[MrMoo]

Minor edit to the first post:

anuwargamingsociety.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=anucon2010&thread=368&page=1

to clear up emails/paying/paying on the day etc.

Basically, I don't mind if you turn up and/or pay on the day, but people who have emailed me or paid beforehand have priority if we don't have enough space.

Also, bear in mind that if you don't submit an army list by the 1st of October, you'll be losing army comp scores.